Thriving in the Age of Disruption

How I Persisted In Starting My Own Business Despite Tons Of Naysayers: Mr. Anil Dagia (India)

November 23, 2022 Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra & Mr. Anil Dagia Season 1 Episode 26
Thriving in the Age of Disruption
How I Persisted In Starting My Own Business Despite Tons Of Naysayers: Mr. Anil Dagia (India)
Show Notes Transcript

For Mr. Anil Dagia, starting his own business was the opportunity to contribute to others and live life on his own terms.

Many around Anil did not mince their words when he told them he was quitting his cushy and high-paying successful IT career to start his own business in training and coaching.

Yet Anil persisted, driven by the clarity that he simply needed to deliver value on what his clients truly wanted and needed. He soon found that not only is it fulfilling to succeed as an entrepreneur, it's also possible to earn a good living whilst deeply connecting with and touching the lives of tens of thousands of people.

Anil has since become a leading Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) trainer. In his conversation with Dr. Ramesh, he generously shares his insights, wrapped in interesting analogies, around what it takes to make that big jump into entrepreneurship. He also talks about how to to lead, manage crisis and leverage the structure of thinking, creating real shifts to become more effective in life.

To learn more about the entrepreneurial mindset with Dr. Ramesh, get your copy of The Big Jump into Entrepreneurship 2.0 on Amazon.com or www.Dr-Ramesh.com.

Host: Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra, Author, Podcast Host and Founder of Talent Leadership Crucible

Guest Speaker: Mr. Anil Dagia,  NLP Trainer, ICF Accredited Course Master Trainer, CxO Coach, Life & Business Coach, 5th Element

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To learn more about the entrepreneurial mindset with Dr. Ramesh, get your copy of The Big Jump into Entrepreneurship 2.0 on Amazon.com or www.Dr-Ramesh.com.

Host: Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra, Author, Podcast Host and Founder of Talent Leadership Crucible

Guest Speaker: Mr. Anil Dagia,  NLP Trainer, ICF Accredited Course Master Trainer, CxO Coach, Life & Business Coach, 5th Element

#EntrepreneurialMindset #Mumbai #India #AnilDagia #Dr.RameshRamachandra #TheBigJumpintoEntrepreneurship2.0 #CrisisReadyMindset #TalentLeadershipCrucible #Thriving #AgeofDisruption #CrisisResilience #NLP #NeuroLinguisticProgramming #Trainer #LifeCoach #ICF

Ho Lai Yun  00:00

Hello and welcome to Thriving in the Age of Disruption. Have you ever wondered what it takes to persist in building up a business when loud voices around you are giving nothing but discouragement? Today, Dr. Ramesh catches up with Mr. Anil Dagia, a successful Life Coach and Trainer who was driven to quit his cushy and high paying IT career to start his own entrepreneurial journey with 5th Element based in Mumbai, India. In this conversation with Dr. Ramesh, Anil generously shares his insights, wrapped in interesting analogies, around what it takes to make that big jump Into Entrepreneurship and how to lead, manage crisis and leverage the structure of thinking to bring about real shifts to be more effective in life.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  00:46

Welcome Anil to our podcast, Thriving in the Age of Disruption. We are delighted to have you here.

Anil Dagia  00:53

I'm currently in India, Mumbai as a life coach and a trainer who teaches people to become life coaches. This journey started somewhere in 2011. I started learning Neuro Linguistic Programming myself and then gradually I switched over from IT profession into this as my means for livelihood. That's been my passion for almost 11 plus years now.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  01:19

Wonderful. I'm looking to create with the listeners that entrepreneurship is not just about starting and running a business. Firstly, it's about having an entrepreneurial mindset. And that is a mindset where you're being resourceful to look at a problem, you're looking for solutions and you're able to manage the risks as well as to create value. I'd like to explore your own entrepreneurial mindset, how you became an entrepreneur, the key motivations, the key turning points, the challenges along the way, if any. 

Anil Dagia  02:03

It's not as if I've been thinking about becoming an entrepreneur for a long time, or even a short time. Well I just jumped into it. Quite a long time before that when I joined the IT industry, I was passionate about my work, and I excelled at what I do, and I soon gained the reputation of turning around troubled projects.  Great, now what does this mean? I was getting the attention from my bosses, I was getting the biggest bonuses, biggest salary increments, right? So huge ego boost, but I was paying a price for it which, at that point of time I didn't realise there was any price. What was the price? The price was in terms of my time and what happens to my time. How my time gets controlled by my bosses, by project, by the organisation. Going to the extent where one day I am ill. I am unwell, so unwell I have to be on bedrest. I don't have the energy to get off the bed. My boss calls me up saying that, "Hey, the super boss is upset. He was saying that, "Even if we have to take Anil on the stretcher, but he has to come to the office and work." Then when my mother was diagnosed with cancer, almost the last stages, my boss tells me, "What are you going to do? You're not the doctor, you couldn't help. But you can help me and the client. Client wants you and needs you. I want you. I need you. So why don't you travel offsite to Los Angeles?" Those times, it used to be a huge ego rush. I am so, so much in demand. But such incidents left its own taste in my mouth. Slowly and slowly, the resentment started building up. Til one fine day, I was in Dubai, I was alone over there. And I had to be rushed to hospital, only to be diagnosed with a stress-induced cardiac block. I had a moment when I'm losing consciousness, I heard the doctor tell the nurse, "Nurse, get the defibrillator." And I said, "What's the point of all this? I am getting all the ego rushes. But when I want to spend time with my loved ones, I can't do that. And what would be the point of all this if I just die one day like this, I won't have time to live my life for those I love.  So I knew I had to make a drastic change. And now then the question is, people have asked me, "Anil, couldn't you have just scaled back and taken a backseat role in any IT organization and be on a job?" I said, "I know myself. Best is to leave that." Then what do I do? Coincidentally, a couple of years before this incident, I had already learned and have become very good at it. I was working with people, coaching and even conducting small trainings, just out of my own passion. I said, "I can do it." So when the switch happened, that I would quit the IT industry and get into this, that happened in an instant. But there is a history of build up as to what drove me to do this. People often think that you get into entrepreneurship because you want to make more money, you want to have more freedom. No, none of those. Yes, freedom! Eventually yes, that's a consequence. But what drove me was the question of, "How I want to live my life?" Everything else is a bonus. It's a consequence.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  05:02

You've created for us to consider that sometimes our entrepreneurial journey can come from an internal reflection, or even a pain. In your case, the question was, "How do I want to live?" And like you shared having this high-powered job where you are very much wanted in different places for different projects. But then there was this question about, "What is the value of my time, if I'm not able to spend time with my mother, I'm not able to take care of my health, I'm not able to be with my loved ones? How do I want to live?" And that's an important question. You had those questions in 2010 or earlier, which at that point, we didn't necessarily have the general agreement in society. Today, it's acceptable that you talk about your time and "What is the value of your time?" You've articulated that it's important to know ourselves, and especially our own limits, in response to your friends asking, "Why couldn't you have taken another job?" Anil, thank you for sharing that journey that you took to pivot to being an entrepreneur. 

Anil Dagia  06:47

It's like you said, right, it wasn't the norm accepted in society in this side of the world. It wasn't. So all my friends said, "You're an idiot? You don't have it in you. You've never done business. What are you getting into? Why are you doing this? You had such a great job." And I'm being very, how should I say, diplomatic in using words of what they said. My own wife of that time turned extremely nasty. At some point, I was questioning, "Is it worth it? I want to live life with someone that I love, but then this person is... Where has the love gone? It's not there anymore!" But then I said, "No, it's still worth it. I'm doing something which has a larger meaning." Long story short, a lot of those people who were my friends at that time, they are no longer there in my life. Sometimes it's time to move on.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  

Did you have any other challenges once you decided, "Okay, this is what I'm going to do?"

Anil Dagia  07:43

Life will create its own situations to move on. Last year, I think you and I had spoken , right? The divorce got finalised and I moved out of that apartment. So did I face challenges at a personal level or not? Did I face business challenges? I think, "Yes!" Who wouldn't? Especially the fact is that I had never done business, I didn't know what business is. I did not know what selling is. I took up an IT job because I didn't want to get into sales. And here I am to earn a livelihood through sales. So did I go through that learning? Yeah, of course I did. I think I will call those as learning journey and not as challenge. Because that's just what it is. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  08:20

That's an important piece. Because ultimately we run a business, if we can relate to it, like a learning journey, part of being an entrepreneur is to learn versus looking at it as a challenge, then we'll be empowered. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  08:37

For a few years now you've been mentoring and running a one-year program where you work with entrepreneurs, or would-be entrepreneurs. And what's typically their challenge when they come to you?

Anil Dagia  08:48

Too stuck up on their product, their service, what I can do, what my product does - Nobody gives a damn. Get out of your head and get into your clients' mind. Everything has to be about the client. You, your service, your product are just going to fit into what the client wants and needs. Wants and needs, not just needs. Everybody needs coaching. Nobody wants to buy coaching. So stop selling coaching. You can't sell it. The fact that some other people are able to sell it as coaching, you don't know what they have done. So stop. The biggest shift people need to make in their mind, is this. The day that shift happens, they don't need any more teaching, they don't need more guidance, they don't need any mentoring. After that they just need, "Anil, do you know how I can do this?" If I know, I'll tell them. That's the biggest problem people have. If I have had that struggle, I wouldn't have realised it at that point of time. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  09:40

That's insightful because when I reflect back to the time that I've spent with 'wannabe' entrepreneurs as well as in my own business, as entrepreneurs we often fall in love with our own product and services. And that's not going to carry the day. Like you said, we have to be interested in what the customer needs, what the customer wants, and what's the customer's world like. And only when we are willing to empathise with their concerns and own their pain points, then we can have a service or a product that we can sell. And in fact, the selling becomes a by-product out of understanding those needs. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  10:43 

Talking about setbacks in life, I have a new book coming up, it's about how one can have a crisis ready mindset. I talk about this four-step framework on crisis resilience mindset. So I wanted to discuss a little bit about personal challenges, and how you dealt with challenges yourself? 

Anil Dagia  11:55

I think the first thing to recognise is this, that we label something as crisis only when we are in the thick of it. Once you come out of it, and on the other side, then when we look back at what we went through, we remember it. But it feels like "Okay, I mean, was it really a crisis? Or was it just something we had to go through?" So we end up labelling something as crisis only when we are in that situation. But after we've come out of that situation, at least for me, okay, it was a journey I went through, and these are the lessons learned. That's it. So from that perspective, if I were to reflect upon that, what I would label as my biggest crisis would be the troubled phase that my daughter went through as soon as she became a teenager, and it is still going. Yes, I've accepted there is a troubled phase. Okay, so acceptance, is there. Action, a lot of actions we've taken, nothing has worked. So have I come to the actualisation? I don't even know what actualisation means. Maybe, if you were to label 'actualisation' as 'spiritually accepting the path and the grand design'; Maybe, yes actualisation happened. Have things turned around? No, actually. So that's one situation which I would say I'm still struggling. I'm being open about it or people will think that, "Oh, you're such a big entrepreneur, and you've got it all made in life." Fact is even the most successful business owner, Tony Robbins, Jeff Bezos, whoever, everyone has something that they are struggling with. That's the nature of human existence. So to expect that, "Oh, once I become a successful entrepreneur, I will not have any struggles." That's a frailed expectation.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  13:36

Thank you for being so open in this conversation. We can have success in some areas of our life. But in another area, we could actually experience that we have no control over a particular situation. In this particular instance, as parents, we have to be the people who can empower our children. Yet at the same time, they are making the day-to-day choices on what they do with their lives. So it's a struggle. Moving on, what do you do typically in a crisis for yourself in those situations where you've been able to work things out and come out of the crisis situation?

Anil Dagia  14:15

Usually, in my case, the journey from awareness to acceptance to action is fairly quick. I like to attribute that characteristic back to my IT industry experience. My reputation was to turn around projects that were in crisis. So awareness, of course, everybody's aware there is crisis. Acceptance? that's why I'd been brought in. So let's just move into action, let's figure it out. Turning around from a crisis is actually a mechanical process. It's a repeatable process. Fact finding is the first step to it. So when we talk about action, they can also be broken down. First step has to be fact finding, all the facts. Most of the crisis that I have discovered, be it project management crisis, even life-management crisis, is because you do not have all the facts with you. The day you have all the facts, all you have to do is you have to compartmentalise the facts, like a project schedule, like a Gantt chart. You have to sequence those things, those facts, put them in order. And then, of course, you need to have a vision of how you want life to be, because putting the facts in sequence, in order, tells where you are. Having a vision tells you where you want to be and 'Boom!' Everything else is then mechanical. What do you need to do to get from here to there? That's it. And the next process, get the acceptance from all the stakeholders. That's the other big challenge. So any crisis management can suffer from only two obstacles. One is not having all the facts. And second is not getting agreement and buy-in from one or more stakeholders.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  15:56

Very nice. You can use this for work-related project management, or even life-related crisis, because all these things are relevant. Number one, fact finding- making sure you get all the facts around that situation. And number two, making sure that we get the buy-in from all the relevant stakeholders, because even if it is just one stakeholder did not buy in, then that whole process doesn't happen. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  16:28

As someone who runs an NLP coaching academy, where you train other people to be coaches, and you also train people in corporates, you work with a lot of people, both men and women. Can you share for, especially young people who are coming into the workforce, two or three tips to develop their leadership qualities. What would you advise them to do?

Anil Dagia  16:52

Be in the present moment. Respond to what's needed now. I'm choosing the words carefully - 'Respond'. I'm not using the word 'act', because in my mind, the distinction is - 'Act' means that I need to act. Leadership is not about my needs. Leadership is about what the situation needs, and you respond to that need. You don't act, you respond. For that you have to be aware, present of what is needed right now. Not think what you need, be aware of what's needed. You know, there's a difference between 'what I think' and 'what I become aware of'. 'Think' is again coming from my thoughts, my perception; 'Awareness' is about noticing the outside, what's beyond my thoughts.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  17:30

Often we act on what we perceive as the situation, from our own thoughts and our own feelings. What you're suggesting is that - Take that moment to look outside, to sense what is really happening with the situation, and then take the action which is needed in that moment. What could young people do to develop that ability? Because I don't think schools teach them that. 

Anil Dagia  17:57

It's one of those things which has become, either people are all for it, so that's okay, people can have their own understanding about it. Or people are all against it. So depending on which part of the spectrum your listeners are having, either they will like what I said, or they will dislike what I said. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  18:15

But they could be curious. Meditation could provide an access to having greater awareness about what is happening outside of ourselves as well.

Anil Dagia  18:24

It's like this, right? Most of the time, people are not aware about what's happening on the outside, they think they know. But all they know is through the perception of their mind. And what meditation does is it takes you on an inner journey to become aware of your mind. Then you can start seeing beyond it. Otherwise you can only see through it.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  18:50

Since we're on the topic of meditation, I wanted to discuss spirituality. What does spirituality mean to you and where you are in that journey. 

Anil Dagia  18:59

If I were to sum up spirituality, two words that come to my mind is 'acceptance' and 'awareness'. Acceptance of everything as is. Just it is. Okay that you will struggle - It is. Okay, I'm getting angry - It is. The moment you said, "There should not be a struggle. Something has to be fixed. People should not get angry", all of those are notions which deny the acceptance. It's like this, right? If people don't want to be angry, the more they try not to be angry, the worse it gets. The paradox is when you accept it as it is, things suddenly solve themselves. And awareness goes back to what's on the outside, beyond your mind. Beyond your mind, you'll realise, there is no right, there is no wrong, there is no good, there is no bad, there is no struggle, there is no easy life. It just is. Whether it's easy, it's easy because your mind made it easy. If you say struggle, well it's because your mind made it a struggle. To see that game of the mind is awareness. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  19:55

Right, that's an interesting way to look at awareness, that it is awareness to see the game of the mind. It's a curious thought. The mind plays games for sure. We have to be willing to consider and go beyond that game that it is playing with us. What else do you do in your spiritual practices? And how do you keep yourself centred? 

Anil Dagia  20:19

Meditation. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  20:20

Meditation. Lovely, and how long have you been doing meditation for? 

Anil Dagia  20:24

Oh, I think I started way back in 2009 without knowing what I was doing was meditation. Often people think that meditation is this great, big act, things to be done. No, it's one of the most simple things in life. Lay down on your bed, and just focus on your breathing and become aware of your breathing. Just become aware, you don't have to count, "Now, this is my first breath." Nothing! Just sit and notice. Let's say you have a flower, and you take the time to notice the colours of all the petals, appreciate how one petal falls over another. That's meditation. Why? Because you're noticing. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  21:01

Yeah, noticing is very powerful. What else do you do beyond meditation?

Anil Dagia  21:05

Well, I used to a fitness freak.  I'm using the word for emphasis. So alot of weight, strength training, developing muscle. I haven't done that since Covid started. I'm also adapting to the new way of living. So I'm still on that, in this new way of living, what's my life vision that's yet to be? What I wanted, I got. So what's next? When that vision develops, then everything becomes a means to the vision. Then you're driven by the vision, and things just happen automatically. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  21:36

That's right. And if I may just ask, so how you plan to get insights into what's that next life vision? How are you looking? Are you just being aware, moment by moment that you will have that realisation? Are you going into like a 10-day meditation retreat? How can one get an insight into their life's vision?

Anil Dagia  21:58

Aware moment by moment. Yes, that's what I'm doing. Until last year, when divorce happened then I moved out. Now up until then, I had all these plans, fitness plans, life plan etc etc. Yeah and that is sort of an awareness also, right? Why did I have all those plans? Because there was certain situations over there, which are like "Okay, this situation, I don't want to deal with it." So I'll keep myself busy with a plan. All right. So now I'm out of those situation, I am empty. Now what? All these plans, how do they serve me? Okay so everywhere, the question, "How do these serve me?" always draws a blank. So then the other question is, "How can I be of service to others?" Again, there the question comes, "Anil, if it is your need to service others, okay you're still in yourself!" Okay, so what's next? What's next is when people approach me, and they say this is their need and I respond to them, moment to moment. That's when the quality of fulfilment is the highest. Now, does this mean that I have no plan? Well, I have a vision. The changed vision at this point of time that, "This is the way I'm going to be of service." Not coming from my need, but coming from the need of whoever finds me. How can I best serve them? Will I go out and introduce myself to more and more people in the world? Yes, of course. So I have this set routine. Every Thursday, I invite people for a webinar, and I make a presentation of my work. Well, that is just mechanical, I have to do it, I have to spread the word, and then whoever needs me will come along my way. And they will ask me of how I can be of service to them, and that's it will work. So there is this faint vision but there is no concrete plan. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  23:37

I took away a lot of things from this conversation. And the first thing is an insight that sometimes we are busy with plans, because we are trying to cope with a current situation, which we may not actually enjoy. Well, sometimes we may even enjoy it, so we have plans around that. And the interesting thing is that when the situation changes, then we have this space to invent ourselves and our life. What you're also sharing is that, to be of service and to have fulfilling moments, is to live in the moment. Have a vision, work on a plan, so that like your Thursday sessions, you can at least start to take step by step, getting closer to how you can fulfil other people's needs as well. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  24:30

Can one live a simple life today? And what is the simple life for you? 

Anil Dagia  24:35

To me, simple life is a state of mind. Too often people make it about the outside. Simple life means basic home, just the bare necessities, your own garden, whatever. Everybody has their own definition of simple life. But most of these definitions are based on what's on the outside. If you're simple inside the mind, then you could be in the most complex of situations, it doesn't matter.  You are simple. Whether you have a lot of money, palaces, cars, you can still be simple. You don't have any of those, still you can be simple. Giving up all the luxuries, what does that got to do with simple? Nothing. Or what is having all the luxuries got to do with being simple? Nothing.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  25:14

That's also another interesting way to look at simple life as the state of mind, and not as a measure of our external assets, conveniences or aspirations. Because if it is a state of mind, then we can always have a simple life, irrespective of what our circumstances are and our position in life is. 

Anil Dagia  25:36

Simplicity, becoming aware of what's going on in your mind. To me, that's central to the biggest, best states that you would like to have. How do you get there? How do you become aware of what's going on in your mind? Meditation is definitely one way. And Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) is a model using which you can understand these structures of your mind and your structures of your thinking process. So meditation is great in becoming aware. And then NLP is what can develop your competence and skill of this awareness. So you can understand the structure, the paradigms that somebody is coming from, you're aware of what's going on. But what do you do with that awareness? How do you bring about shifts, aware that there is this fantastic car with such a superb engine that it can really perform well, in any condition. Okay, I'm aware. But do I have the skill to be able to use it? Can I drive it? Do I understand all the controls - How they work? That's where NLP plays a role, because it helps you understand the structure of thinking and how you can, I don't want to use the word control, but how you can leverage the structure of thinking to bring about shifts at a structural level. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  26:51

So meditation for the awareness about the external environment, and also of yourself in that external environment. But more importantly, how do we actually develop the competency and the skills to be able to then cause the shifts, whether in our thinking or in our action, or in our results, with ourselves, with others, and that's where you use NLP in supporting people to be effective in life.

Anil Dagia  27:20

So, the metaphor which comes to our mind is, you've become aware that there are curtains on the window. You've become aware; you can see through it. Now you want to remove those curtains, you need to know where the levers are, where the buttons are. Otherwise you won't be able to remove it. You will be able to see through that, see beyond them, but you can't remove it. When you learn this structure, when you learn the button, you can remove it once and for all. 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  27:43

Right, wonderful. And what would 'Thriving' look like for you? 

Anil Dagia  27:47

When you can achieve the simple life in your mind.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  27:49

Yes, why not? That would be thriving. 

Anil Dagia  27:51

Yes. In everything! 

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  27:53

That's true. If you can bring that simple life mindset to everything. It is also bringing the highs, as well as bringing the lows to equilibrium, and not being impacted by the high or the low because everything is kept at that balance.

Anil Dagia  28:13

Bringing a balance between the highs and the lows. Rather like a surfer. The surfer rides the highs with equal skill, and equal enjoyment, and the lows with equal skill and equal enjoyment.

Dr. Ramesh Ramachandra  28:25

Anil, I really appreciate you taking the time to do this for us. We have listeners from all over Asia. We hope that they all find it useful, different aspects of the conversations that we're having with the different people who have been our guests. Thank you then, Anil. Take care.

Ho Lai Yun  28:41

Thank you, Dr. Ramesh and Mr. Anil Dagia. We hope you've enjoyed listening to Anil's story and have picked up some useful business and life insights for yourself. Next, we hop down under to Australia with Ms. Amanda Ralph, a product strategist and leader who's recognized as one of the Region's Leading Women in Product Management. Thank you for listening and be sure to follow Dr. Ramesh on LinkedIn so that you'll be alerted every time our new podcast episode comes out on Thriving in the Age of Disruption.

Bio
Mr. Anil Dagia
NLP Trainer, ICF Accredited Course Master Trainer, CxO Coach, Life & Business Coach, 5th Element
www.anildagia.com

Anil is a well-recognised ICF credentialed coach (PCC), a strategic consultant and a trainer with long list of clients, and protégés who freely credit him for their upward growth in career and in life. As an established NLP Trainer registered as trainer member with ANLP, Anil is also registered with ICF as a mentor coach.

Pathbreaking Leadership

Anil achieved global recognition when he got his NLP Practitioner/Master Practitioner Accredited by ICF in 2014. Many global leaders in the world of NLP recognised and acknowledged this as an unprecedented accomplishment not just for Anil himself, but for the world of NLP. Subsequently, this created a huge wave of followers around the globe, replicating the phenomenon. Anil has conducted trainings around the globe having trained/coached over 100,000 people across 16 nationalities.

Unconventional, No Box Thinker

Anil has been given the title of Unconventional, No Box Thinker and he is probably one of the most innovative NLP trainers. Over the course of his journey , he has incorporated the best practices from coaching, behavioural economics, psycho-linguistics, philosophy, mainstream psychology, neuroscience & even from the ancient field of Tantra along with many more advanced methodologies & fields of study. You will find that his workshops & coaching will always include principles and meditation techniques from the field of Tantra leading to profound transformations.